Camille Tomat: The Power of Clarity, Connection & Presence

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<<13>> Luda Bulcato, product education manager

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<<17>> your host. On today's episode, I'm

<<20>> speaking with Camille, coach, somatic

<<23>> practitioner, and expert in nervous

<<25>> system regulation. Through her work, she

<<27>> helps people free themselves from

<<29>> chronic anxiety, overwhelm, and physical

<<32>> symptoms by combining education, somatic

<<35>> practices, and deep therapeutic coaching

<<37>> to heal from the inside out. Today's

<<40>> topic is one that affects nearly all of

<<42>> us. How to truly take care of our mental

<<45>> health, not in a temporary way, but in a

<<47>> holistic, resilient, lasting way. We'll

<<51>> explore what's really going on beneath

<<52>> the stress, what triggers are holding us

<<54>> back, and how small, powerful practices

<<57>> can help support your emotional

<<59>> well-being and nervous system. Hey

<<60>> Camille, welcome to the Youu.

<<63>> >> Hi Ludo. Thank you so much for having

<<65>> me. Really happy to be here.

<<66>> >> It's such a pleasure to be here with

<<68>> you.

<<70>> >> Thank you. So Camille before we dive

<<73>> deeper into this word um could you

<<75>> please uh share for our listener um so

<<78>> that they can get to know you a little

<<80>> bit better. So I know you spent so many

<<82>> years working in the field of mental

<<84>> health and emotional well-being uh what

<<86>> drew to this work first and what keeps

<<89>> you motivated and passionate about this?

<<93>> I'm sharing this with people and with my

<<96>> team often. What keeps me going today?

<<99>> You know, and and sometimes I have to

<<100>> say I'm like I don't know, you know, on

<<102>> hard days when you're like I don't know

<<103>> what keeps me going, but like I know I'm

<<106>> in the right place. I know I'm in the

<<108>> right place. Yes. So I came to mental

<<110>> health at the beginning because of my

<<112>> own anxiety. And before anxiety, I had a

<<116>> lot of physical symptoms. I had have

<<118>> eczema my whole life, asthma, a lot of

<<122>> allergies. If you would have met me like

<<124>> seven, eight years ago, I was always

<<125>> like my nose was always always running,

<<128>> you know. I was always blowing my nose.

<<130>> It was just and they had just um

<<133>> diagnosed me with chronic

<<136>> like

<<137>> >> Yeah. And no one could do anything for

<<140>> me basically. So I did it all on my own

<<143>> with nutrition, with the yoga, with

<<146>> breath, and then with the earth. And I

<<149>> started to do holistic health. I started

<<152>> to do health coaching and I realized it

<<154>> was not enough. I realized the mental

<<156>> health part was really a huge missing

<<158>> piece. I had a lot of people being there

<<161>> in the sessions with me like, "Yeah,

<<162>> yeah, yeah, amazing." You know, and then

<<165>> like they wouldn't do anything anymore.

<<166>> Like they would come home and nothing

<<168>> happened. And I was like, "But why are

<<170>> they self-sabotaging like this?" Like

<<172>> why why aren't they doing anything? And

<<174>> I know they want to get better, you

<<175>> know, when they with their health. And

<<177>> and that's when basically I got into

<<180>> okay chronic stress, anxiety and trauma

<<183>> work. And then you know like you put

<<184>> your finger in this and it's so much

<<186>> information it's so you know this is it.

<<191>> >> Yes. Yes. Yes. Like Pandora's box you

<<193>> know this is it. This is it. And then I

<<195>> just do like dived into this more and

<<197>> more and just specialized like four five

<<201>> years ago something like this. Uh no

<<205>> even six almost with co we lose a sense

<<208>> of time almost six months ago I just

<<211>> went and it was um it was not easy to do

<<216>> that you know that uturn not u-turn just

<<220>> turn basically like to niche myself

<<222>> really you know the the drama of the

<<224>> niche you you think oh my god like I'm

<<227>> letting down those people in holistic

<<229>> health and but yeah it was my path and

<<232>> then my own anxiety got so much better

<<235>> from all this work, the trauma work and

<<236>> somatic work and I started to introduce

<<239>> the oils into that and it was just so

<<241>> powerful so powerful.

<<243>> >> That's amazing. Wow. So obviously we are

<<246>> seeing now more and more in the world

<<248>> that um you know overwhelm stress

<<250>> anxiety is affecting everyone not just

<<253>> adults but kids and teenagers too. Um so

<<256>> from your experience um what do you

<<259>> believe are the biggest triggers that

<<262>> you know um that are on the rise in this

<<264>> in this crisis in a bit it's like mental

<<267>> health crisis.

<<268>> >> Yeah. And you used exactly the right

<<271>> word which is overwhelm. This is a key

<<274>> word because it's what trauma is. It's

<<277>> what the what's the traumatic response

<<279>> is. It's overwhelm actually. So yeah, I

<<283>> think what's driving this today, it's

<<285>> not just one thing. It's as always, you

<<288>> know, a combination of factor for sure.

<<290>> Like there is more awareness around

<<292>> trauma and this is beautiful and but it

<<295>> it's beautiful but it's needed in a

<<296>> sense because we see this mental health

<<298>> crisis. We see overwhelm everywhere and

<<302>> you know in the trauma work we talk

<<303>> about shock trauma. So that's like a bit

<<305>> the obvious trauma, you know, like

<<307>> natural catastrophes, an accident, like

<<310>> things that

<<311>> >> terrible things that happened to you.

<<312>> This is quite obvious for a lot of

<<314>> people, okay? Shock trauma. But you have

<<316>> also the what were called developmental

<<320>> trauma. So this is like childhood

<<322>> trauma. Everything that happens in your

<<323>> childhood. So all those mini traumas,

<<325>> you know, but even like moving cities

<<328>> like a divorce, people like people

<<330>> wouldn't think about those things as of

<<332>> trauma. But if in that period of life

<<335>> you don't have

<<336>> >> you know you don't have a lot of

<<338>> capacity you're tired like you don't

<<340>> have the support that you need like this

<<342>> can be super traumatic I have so many

<<344>> clients coming even people saying oh

<<346>> until I was living with my parents

<<348>> everything fine and then I went and I

<<350>> studied abroad and actually this was a

<<352>> trauma for the system

<<354>> >> even if they joined an amazing program

<<356>> what they wanted and everything but it

<<358>> was too much at that moment in time the

<<361>> the definition of trauma is really It's

<<363>> when it's too much. So it's when it's

<<365>> overwhelming for the for the system and

<<367>> you don't have the support or the

<<370>> resources needed in that moment to face

<<373>> this actually and to and to go through

<<375>> this. So, and I think modern life is

<<378>> just a series of many traumas, you know,

<<381>> and chronic stress being one of them

<<384>> actually being one maybe newer category.

<<387>> But if you think about it, chronic

<<389>> stress when it's really like having a

<<392>> tiger behind you all the time, you know,

<<394>> deadlines and it mimics trauma

<<397>> basically. So, yeah, that's for sure one

<<400>> factor. And then fake food is another

<<403>> one I think big big one

<<406>> >> we we don't talk about it enough and in

<<408>> doa we're doing an amazing job at

<<410>> actually talking about it the link

<<412>> between mental health and uh how much

<<416>> nutrients you have available or

<<418>> >> and and the gut right because the gut is

<<421>> our second brain so I guess a lot of

<<424>> things can get stored there

<<426>> >> absolutely absolutely there is a a very

<<429>> known doctor Dr. Mark Heyman in

<<431>> functional medicine he says that 90% of

<<433>> people are not physiologically ready to

<<436>> go to therapy you know they go to

<<438>> therapy but you can talk about all your

<<441>> stuff and get a lot of understanding and

<<444>> get to be listened to which is super

<<447>> powerful in talk therapy you get to be

<<449>> listened to but all of this if you're

<<452>> lacking vitamin B you know if you're

<<454>> completely depleted of all your

<<455>> magnesium like you can do all this but

<<457>> you're going to reach okay you're going

<<459>> to get

<<460>> a bit better, but you're going to hit

<<462>> this glass ceiling pretty fast actually

<<464>> and you're not going to see the results.

<<466>> You're not going to see the results

<<467>> because people they go to therapy, they

<<470>> work on themselves to change, but the

<<472>> brain cannot do both. The brain cannot

<<474>> deal with all the inflammation in the

<<476>> body, you know, all the disbiosis and

<<478>> everything and change and the change

<<481>> it's neuroplasticity in the brain. So,

<<483>> and it cannot do both. It's or

<<484>> inflammation or neuroplasticity.

<<487>> So taking care of yeah your levels of

<<490>> inflammation your gut like this is super

<<492>> important and that's one factor for sure

<<494>> and I think the last one is um phones

<<498>> the disconnection you know this yeah

<<501>> overall like disconnection we're so

<<503>> connected but

<<505>> >> like I I was listening to a very

<<507>> interesting thing the other day were

<<509>> saying like young people now they don't

<<511>> the phone is not like a mean to connect

<<514>> it's like it's not the mean it became

<<516>> the end you know you go to a party to

<<518>> document on your phone, you know, like

<<521>> to document, oh, I was in that party.

<<522>> You don't go to leave the party cuz So,

<<525>> basically, we're constantly dissociated.

<<527>> >> Mhm.

<<527>> >> Constantly. It's it's really huge. And

<<530>> this is it's a disaster like mental

<<532>> health wise, it's it's really a

<<534>> disaster.

<<534>> >> Yeah. I in my own little word, you know,

<<537>> I see this quite a lot. Like over the

<<539>> weekend, I was at an event. It was an

<<540>> open door event in a beautiful field and

<<543>> so many younger kids, they must have

<<545>> been like 12 or something. They were all

<<547>> glued to their phone, not even

<<549>> interacting with each other, just glued

<<551>> to their phone. And that broke my heart

<<553>> a little bit. So I guess for that next

<<556>> future generation learning tools to take

<<559>> care of themselves that the mental

<<560>> health is is a non-negotiable. It's not

<<562>> even a question anymore. No, it's not a

<<565>> question because those uh those

<<567>> youngsters, they won't have even learned

<<570>> how to attach, you know, how to connect.

<<572>> So, they will have to relearn this and

<<574>> they'll need tools because it's for

<<577>> their nervous system is going to feel

<<578>> dangerous because it's so unfamiliar.

<<580>> >> Yeah.

<<581>> >> So, yeah. Yeah. Get out your oils.

<<585>> Let's grab our oils. We'll get to the

<<587>> oils. I promise.

<<589>> Um but we before we get to that point um

<<593>> one thing that got me think is when we

<<595>> are under pressure or feeling

<<596>> overwhelmed we might react in a way that

<<598>> doesn't even seem like we are ourself.

<<600>> We might be snapping or overreacting or

<<603>> spiraling into negative thoughts. And

<<605>> I'm very guilty of that myself. So

<<608>> please help me. Um and can we please

<<612>> understand why this happens and um how

<<616>> can we regulate our nervous system so

<<618>> that we are more conscious of how we

<<620>> react to thing and probably not even

<<621>> react because that is not a good feeling

<<624>> like to feel like you are always

<<626>> reacting how we can counterbalance that

<<630>> >> yes it's going from reaction to response

<<633>> basically like how can I have this

<<635>> little time in between that I can choose

<<637>> okay how do I want to respond to that

<<639>> >> exactly Yeah. And and you said it, it

<<641>> happens when we're triggered. So, and if

<<643>> you say this in another way, when you're

<<646>> triggered, you feel threatened like your

<<649>> nervous system. And let's remind here

<<651>> that we talk about the autonomic nervous

<<653>> system. And that's super important

<<655>> because it means it's automatic like a

<<658>> autonomous automatic. It's a synonym.

<<660>> It's the same. So, it's not that I'm

<<662>> choosing to be triggered to like

<<664>> >> lower the guilt.

<<666>> >> Yeah. The guilt and the shame around

<<668>> this. No

<<670>> people saying you know we hear a lot in

<<673>> the personal developmental field like in

<<676>> personal development oh I created this

<<677>> for myself like there's a lot of guilt

<<679>> you know around I need to work on

<<681>> myself. Yes absolutely and it's all the

<<684>> result of your personal history of what

<<687>> we said our trauma the lack of support

<<690>> etc. So um yeah being triggered I'm

<<693>> trying to to find a to find an example.

<<697>> Yeah, we have me I work a lot for

<<699>> instance sometimes my husband is

<<701>> triggered by that you know I think it's

<<702>> it's his own like okay I would like to

<<704>> rest but I see her work like all the

<<706>> time uh and we have sometimes like a bit

<<709>> of issues around that that I'm like yeah

<<711>> but I still need to do things and he's

<<713>> like yeah but we said that we didn't

<<715>> work on weekends

<<717>> um and we get activated you know we get

<<719>> triggered and it's like in in those

<<722>> moments you're like okay what's happen

<<724>> what happened inside of me like what

<<727>> triggered like when you see me working

<<729>> what's happening inside of you and this

<<730>> is I think first step is bringing

<<732>> awareness and say okay I'm not in my

<<734>> normal state anymore like I'm not in my

<<736>> normal self my autonomic nervous system

<<739>> went into survival like felt

<<741>> >> I feel threatened by that

<<743>> >> and when you go into survival you go

<<745>> into a state of the nervous system

<<748>> that's called sympathetic state

<<750>> >> and this is a state of like action this

<<752>> is it's known also as fight orflight

<<755>> response So this is why we get

<<758>> aggressive, you know, you have to fight

<<760>> for your life or you have to fly or you

<<762>> have to run for your life. Fight. No.

<<765>> >> Um but like more often than not like we

<<769>> go and we fight. So that's why we go

<<772>> into fights. That's why we're activated.

<<774>> That's why you go into a fight with your

<<776>> spouse or with your sister or brother or

<<779>> I don't know. And you have the feeling

<<780>> that you're just saying just the worst

<<781>> things. You know, sometimes I tell my

<<783>> husband, why are you saying this? like

<<784>> it it feels like you want to make things

<<786>> worse. But because once we're both in

<<789>> that state of activation, like there is

<<791>> no listening anymore, there is no

<<793>> connection anymore. When your body is in

<<796>> survival mode, like connection is really

<<799>> not a priority. You know, compassion is

<<802>> really not a priority. Listening is

<<804>> really not a priority. So it's like

<<806>> coming back at body level like trying to

<<810>> really not believe anymore all the

<<812>> stories in our heads and like coming

<<814>> back at body level and say okay like how

<<816>> do I feel? Oh I feel I feel that I'm not

<<820>> in my normal state and you're going to

<<822>> feel it. It's buzzing inside your

<<824>> muscles are in tension. If you pay

<<826>> attention to

<<827>> >> maybe heartbeat will go would be faster

<<829>> would be beating faster.

<<830>> >> Absolutely. Temperature is going to rise

<<833>> now. it will be hotter. If you pay

<<835>> attention, we don't realize because

<<836>> we're in the activation, but if you pay

<<838>> attention, the muscles of the eyes, you

<<840>> know, is going to be more dilated.

<<842>> >> Like, so it's it's really coming back to

<<845>> the body because anyway in that state,

<<848>> your prefrontal cortex, so the part of

<<850>> your brain that actually allows you to

<<852>> think and plan and think rationally, you

<<854>> know, it's it's not accessible anymore

<<856>> or not fully accessible anymore. Like

<<858>> it's when you have stress hormones which

<<861>> comes with the sympathetic state it goes

<<863>> off. It's like it goes off and like the

<<866>> way the more like basic structures of

<<869>> the brain the reptilian we call it

<<871>> >> parts of the brain like they take over

<<873>> for you to just not think anymore and

<<875>> just run or fight you know which is

<<878>> super well done. It's it's nature's

<<880>> design. It's amazing

<<882>> >> only that yeah when you're trying to

<<884>> solve a situation like and you're

<<886>> triggered it's not it's not not super

<<889>> helpful. So how do we bring ourselves

<<891>> back to a normal stable state?

<<895>> >> And and then this is the question. The

<<896>> question is how do I find my way back to

<<899>> what we call vententral state in the

<<901>> autonomic nervous system which is like

<<904>> the state of connection of safety and

<<907>> there for instance I find that the oils

<<910>> are super efficient because if you think

<<912>> that the prefrontal cortex is not

<<915>> accessible anymore you cannot reason

<<917>> yourself. someone else cannot reason you

<<920>> like it's it's not on that level you

<<921>> know it's like with children

<<924>> >> often they don't have the prefrontal

<<925>> cortex online either and you see you

<<928>> cannot like you know you need to

<<929>> regulate before reasoning

<<932>> >> so eyes are amazing for that because

<<934>> they don't you don't need to think about

<<936>> it like you're you're going to work on

<<938>> the body like directly so it's amazing

<<943>> >> not ne it's not necessarily only the oil

<<946>> that's going

<<948>> allow you to come to full okay

<<950>> regulation again. But as the first step

<<952>> for me it's like amazing. It's the first

<<955>> step that's gonna allow you to say ah

<<957>> okay to basically break the cycle you

<<959>> know break the cycle come back into the

<<962>> body and be like okay now what can I do

<<964>> like the sympathetic energy it's really

<<966>> a an energy that wants to move so let me

<<969>> push a wall you know let me just lift

<<972>> weights like to get it out of my system

<<973>> and come back to it's like yeah exactly

<<977>> that is what I was imagining like the

<<980>> breathing

<<981>> >> but people you know they always think

<<983>> about I need to calm down. But actually

<<986>> before calming down, you need to

<<987>> discharge all that energy cuz you went

<<990>> into

<<992>> >> a fight orflight response and now it

<<994>> needs to be completed. So how do I

<<996>> completed? It's my muscles like I need

<<997>> to use them. I need to let it out

<<999>> basically.

<<1001>> >> So and the oil like it's going to be

<<1003>> amazing for that. And you can use

<<1006>> >> honestly I would say any oil at that

<<1008>> point.

<<1009>> >> Okay. I was

<<1010>> >> just to break it. Just to break it. any

<<1012>> oil will do because it's gonna reconnect

<<1015>> you, you know, and lmonine would have an

<<1017>> effect, you know, like frankincense

<<1019>> would be amazing, lavender would be

<<1021>> amazing, you know, whatever. I would say

<<1024>> something you like.

<<1025>> >> Okay.

<<1026>> >> In a situation like this.

<<1028>> >> Okay. Amazing. And then I know you're

<<1030>> also um really big for what concerns um

<<1034>> breath work. So how how did you um yeah

<<1039>> how do you incorporate breath work maybe

<<1041>> uh in a situation of overwhelm or just

<<1044>> like highend uh you know feelings? M mhm

<<1048>> yeah I think here it's maybe two things

<<1050>> like how do you really train the

<<1053>> awareness of the breath when you're not

<<1055>> activated because when you're in

<<1056>> activation it's not the time to train

<<1059>> >> and then how can you use it as a like

<<1063>> yeah as an you know yeah exactly exactly

<<1067>> so it's I think yeah with the breath

<<1068>> it's two thing things awareness of the

<<1070>> breath just during the day feeling more

<<1073>> and more okay I'm breathing like just

<<1075>> actually feeling Okay, I'm breathing

<<1077>> without modifying the breath, without

<<1079>> doing anything. And then you have the

<<1081>> breath work like then working on the

<<1083>> breath. Let's like modify it. And the

<<1085>> breath is so powerful if you think about

<<1088>> it because it's it's a bridge. It's like

<<1091>> it's the only function basically in our

<<1094>> body which is hybrid. It's autonomous.

<<1096>> You don't have to think every day, every

<<1098>> second, breathe in, breathe out, like

<<1101>> you know,

<<1102>> >> we don't.

<<1103>> >> Exactly. you wouldn't do anything else

<<1106>> pretty much anything else. Um but then

<<1108>> you can also modify it

<<1110>> >> which you cannot do with your body

<<1113>> temperature or your like heart rate and

<<1117>> yes okay you can go run and it's going

<<1118>> to but you know the breath you can

<<1121>> really modify it. So a really simple

<<1123>> tool for instance if you want to calm

<<1126>> down it's um it's exhaling longer than

<<1129>> you inhale cuz this actually it um

<<1133>> balances so it activates your

<<1135>> parasympathetic nervous system and this

<<1138>> balances the sympathetic that we just

<<1140>> like talked about. So if you want to

<<1142>> calm down like you just you let's say

<<1145>> you were triggered I'm giving a very

<<1147>> concrete example you were triggered you

<<1149>> were like okay you went you used your

<<1151>> oil broke the cycle like got aware of

<<1155>> okay I'm triggered I'm going to push a

<<1157>> wall I'm discharging the energy and then

<<1158>> you could to like get back to calmer

<<1162>> calmer state you could just exhale

<<1165>> longer and this is going to activate and

<<1167>> it's really really efficient really

<<1169>> really efficient and I would say with

<<1171>> the breath really have fun, you know,

<<1173>> like start to be aware like, oh, I'm

<<1175>> breathing. What if I breathe like super

<<1178>> I want to, you know, like be like a

<<1181>> balloon, you know, as much air as

<<1182>> possible and then all the air out and

<<1184>> just be a bit childish with this

<<1186>> >> and it's going to it helps a lot.

<<1188>> >> I love this. It's such a simple tool

<<1191>> because, you know, as you said, we we

<<1193>> all breathe and we don't even pay

<<1194>> attention to it. But because of that

<<1196>> thing, because we don't pay too much

<<1198>> attention, it's I can imagine such a

<<1200>> critical thing that when you start

<<1202>> paying attention, you can really

<<1204>> regulate your your emotions, your

<<1207>> thoughts and um yeah, it's an extra tool

<<1209>> that you have

<<1210>> >> before and

<<1213>> it's extra tool, but it's also it's it's

<<1216>> really fundamental as you say because

<<1219>> you know your whole personal story can

<<1221>> be read in your breath like you have we

<<1223>> all have different breath breath

<<1225>> patterns. And a lot of people they

<<1227>> actually breathe at like

<<1229>> >> 30%, we estimate 30% of their capacity.

<<1233>> And if you think that the lungs help you

<<1235>> detox, like all the function of the

<<1237>> breast, the your diaphragm is supposed

<<1240>> to move. You know, a lot of people they

<<1241>> have this tight diaphragm and the

<<1243>> diaphragm is supposed to move, which is

<<1245>> going to help digestion because it's

<<1247>> just above, you know, the digestive

<<1249>> system.

<<1250>> >> You need it massages, you know. Like I

<<1252>> went to the osteopath the other day and

<<1254>> he was like, "You have an inner

<<1255>> osteopath which is called the diaphragm.

<<1258>> So work with that one. Don't come to

<<1260>> me." You know, a really good good

<<1261>> osteopath.

<<1262>> >> I love that.

<<1264>> >> And uh and so yeah, the breath it's it's

<<1267>> fundamental. And we all talk about how

<<1269>> to eat, but how to breathe, you know,

<<1272>> and we breathe in way more air than we

<<1274>> eat food, you know.

<<1276>> >> For sure.

<<1277>> >> Yeah. Yeah. That's amazing.

<<1278>> >> So important. It's important.

<<1280>> >> Beautiful. Thank you. So, Camille, I

<<1282>> know um by the time these episodes will

<<1285>> be out, we will have already seen you

<<1288>> hopefully on our smallest screens on our

<<1290>> social for the minieries um based on

<<1294>> your experience and your work on mental

<<1297>> health. So, is there anything that we

<<1300>> can kind of link back to those um mini

<<1304>> episodes about mental health and maybe

<<1306>> some quick techniques on breathing that

<<1308>> our listeners and viewers can start

<<1310>> incorporating in their routines?

<<1312>> >> Absolutely. Absolutely. There will be

<<1314>> one little video on on the breath where

<<1317>> I talk about exhaling longer and also

<<1321>> like um uh uh breathing method. I don't

<<1326>> know. Some they call it like the box

<<1329>> breathing, you know. It's like you

<<1331>> inhale,

<<1333>> four like you need four seconds. No, 4

<<1335>> seconds inhale, 4 seconds retention.

<<1338>> >> Mhm.

<<1339>> >> And then 4 seconds exhale and then 4

<<1342>> seconds retention and then again tuk tuk

<<1344>> tuk. So it's like a box.

<<1347>> >> It does like it makes a box basically.

<<1350>> And it just helps you have like a more

<<1352>> regular breath. And um you know for the

<<1356>> little story I me I learned how to

<<1359>> breathe in India when I went for a yoga

<<1361>> training

<<1362>> >> and yoga teacher training and before

<<1364>> that I really didn't know how to breathe

<<1366>> and I find it so ironic today that I'm

<<1369>> teaching people how to breathe because I

<<1371>> was I had huge asthma my whole life like

<<1374>> when I was a child every 3 months I was

<<1376>> in the ER like asthma crisis I couldn't

<<1378>> breathe anymore and no one ever taught

<<1381>> me how to breathe you know and actually

<<1383>> for asthma when you don't get air you

<<1386>> need to breathe slower because when you

<<1387>> breathe slower you're going to oxygenate

<<1389>> more and in the yoga institute there

<<1391>> they were telling me also for longevity

<<1393>> the slow breathe like if you look at

<<1396>> animals in nature the ones who have the

<<1399>> slower breath have the longest like

<<1403>> >> I don't know that

<<1404>> >> yeah it's really interesting so yeah in

<<1408>> in let's say in general breathe like

<<1411>> deeper and slower if You can cuz cuz you

<<1414>> know this deep breath like it's the

<<1417>> breath of when you're triggered is the

<<1419>> survival breath. No.

<<1421>> >> Yeah.

<<1421>> >> And breathe in your belly. Breathe deep.

<<1424>> Breathe. You're in my mind. I love this.

<<1427>> Um I also wanted to mention my yoga

<<1429>> teacher training and my teacher uh

<<1431>> taught me how to breathe because I was I

<<1434>> thought I knew how to breathe but no.

<<1436>> And I was breathing with the upper side

<<1437>> of my body and just you know seeing my

<<1440>> shoulders going up and down and that's

<<1441>> not proper breathing. I didn't know what

<<1443>> belly breathing was. Um, so everything

<<1445>> that you just said is is golden.

<<1448>> >> Yeah. You know me, I arrived at the yoga

<<1450>> institute and they were like the nose is

<<1452>> to breathe and the mouth is to eat and

<<1455>> me having asthma and chronic rhythm

<<1458>> with my mouth all the time. I was a

<<1460>> mouth breather and I was like how am I

<<1462>> going to survive here for a month? I was

<<1464>> like, I'm taking a flight back to Paris.

<<1467>> Like, it's no, it's no way, you know.

<<1469>> And in the end, honestly, in 2 three

<<1471>> days, I really retrained myself. It was

<<1473>> a bit painful, I have to say, but or

<<1476>> uncomfortable, let's say, but I

<<1478>> retrained myself and and now I'm like,

<<1480>> how could I breathe through my mouth

<<1482>> like I don't

<<1483>> >> So, breathe through your nose.

<<1486>> is uh um for our viewers and and

<<1488>> listeners, would you suggest always

<<1490>> inhaling and exhaling through the nose

<<1492>> or is there one particular technique

<<1495>> where you can inhale through the nose,

<<1496>> exhale through the mouth? How how does

<<1498>> it work?

<<1499>> >> On a daily basis, you breathe only

<<1501>> through your nose and also at night try

<<1504>> to make sure that you're breathing

<<1506>> through the through the nose at night.

<<1508>> Also super important. And uh but for

<<1510>> instance, me, I'm practicing breath work

<<1512>> like twice a month. I do those big

<<1514>> online like breath work sessions and

<<1516>> there we inhale through the through the

<<1518>> nose and we exhale through the mouth

<<1520>> just because like to let more air out

<<1522>> and to really lean into like the

<<1526>> exhalation and learn how to relax you

<<1528>> know even more like this it's really

<<1531>> like a sigh you know like I don't know I

<<1533>> got the good news and I'm relieved you

<<1535>> know like this like a relief

<<1538>> and then inhaling through the nose again

<<1540>> and it's very interesting because a lot

<<1542>> of people they say It's almost painful

<<1544>> for me to exhale like this because as

<<1546>> soon as we invite them to relax it's so

<<1550>> unfamiliar you know even relax in the

<<1553>> jaw like wow it's painful for me you

<<1556>> know to to relax and it's

<<1558>> >> so this says a lot about like the level

<<1560>> of tension in the body the breathing

<<1562>> patterns and

<<1564>> >> and this comes from trauma like the the

<<1566>> root of everything

<<1568>> >> I know maybe this topic will resonate a

<<1571>> lot more with women that the terra So

<<1573>> with mainly women business we know that

<<1576>> and many women are juggling you know

<<1578>> family career uh constant uh overwhelm

<<1582>> responsibilities right front center

<<1585>> corner everything. So that can also

<<1587>> leave us out of sync and you were

<<1590>> telling us earlier about hormones. So

<<1593>> how do we um yeah how do do we go back

<<1596>> to the you know giving and feeding our

<<1599>> feel-good hormones instead of you know

<<1602>> not so good.

<<1603>> >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. When we speak about

<<1606>> the feel-good hormones it's so we speak

<<1608>> about serotonin serotonin it's like a

<<1611>> known one. Dopamine also endorphins are

<<1615>> another very well-known one also. when

<<1618>> and yes me I always say you know like

<<1621>> the we have an expression in French it's

<<1624>> it goes like you cannot be at the at the

<<1630>> how is it at the oven and at the meal at

<<1633>> the same time you know when you make

<<1634>> bread you cannot be in every place at

<<1636>> the same time so it's the same with the

<<1638>> body it cannot be there like constantly

<<1641>> producing stress hormones and then

<<1643>> producing well also the feelood hormones

<<1647>> and your sexual hormones like it can it

<<1649>> cannot do anything and we said it before

<<1652>> when your when your body your system

<<1654>> goes into survival mode survival state

<<1658>> all the rest is not a priority anymore

<<1659>> so cortisol is always going to be the

<<1662>> priority like stress hormones are always

<<1664>> going to be the priority and on the

<<1666>> short term it's amazing like if I have

<<1668>> to fight if I have to flee amazing and

<<1670>> also like right now you have to be

<<1673>> focused you know like it keeps you alert

<<1676>> it keeps you Amazing. A little bit of

<<1678>> it. Amazing. But not for too long. We

<<1680>> know that. Not for too long. And this is

<<1682>> where when where like chronic stress

<<1685>> enters like in into play.

<<1687>> >> So we don't want too much cortisone.

<<1691>> Cortisol sorry

<<1693>> >> because because uh because yeah the

<<1696>> other like feelgood hormones they get

<<1698>> depleted. If we have like too much

<<1700>> cortisol for too long. uh it reduces

<<1703>> also like if if you're in chronic stress

<<1704>> it's going to reduce the the

<<1706>> neurotransmitters it's going to affect

<<1708>> that you know so you don't want that so

<<1712>> yeah some rituals routines right that

<<1716>> you can

<<1716>> >> yes I know I know you you're very yeah

<<1719>> you're very big on rituals routines and

<<1721>> incorporating small practices into daily

<<1723>> life so if you could please share

<<1725>> anything that you find useful it would

<<1726>> be lovely

<<1727>> >> yeah yeah I'm I'm a lot on uh rituals

<<1730>> and practice ices, you know, and

<<1733>> routines, but really those routines like

<<1735>> not the super severe ones, you know,

<<1738>> like the first one I'm like try to feel

<<1740>> I tell people like, you know, they're

<<1742>> all like miracle morning and morning

<<1744>> routine and everything. Do it. Do it

<<1747>> structured if it helps you, but let it

<<1750>> go. Like if you feel one morning like

<<1752>> it's really not the thing you need, like

<<1754>> really let it go because as long as

<<1755>> you're forcing things, you're in

<<1757>> survival.

<<1758>> >> Mhm.

<<1758>> >> And we don't heal. we don't get better

<<1761>> in survival in stress. So well have all

<<1765>> those tools and then have the let's say

<<1768>> maybe not intelligence but like

<<1770>> compassion for yourself or deep

<<1772>> listening to yourself

<<1774>> >> to like go and pick what's what's right

<<1776>> in the moment. So absolutely hormones

<<1780>> you know that they're a lot connected to

<<1782>> sleep. I know we're going to talk about

<<1783>> it a lot connected to the circadian

<<1785>> rhythms. So morning and night amazing if

<<1789>> you can I know it's not available for

<<1791>> everyone but if you something like my

<<1793>> husband for instance he was not sleeping

<<1795>> at all when I met him and it's something

<<1798>> he worked a lot on and he was going to

<<1800>> see the sunrise and to see the sunset

<<1802>> like just you know for the eyes for the

<<1804>> body to understand

<<1806>> >> now it's the sun is rising now it's time

<<1808>> to go to sleep and this was one of the

<<1811>> most powerful thing actually you know

<<1812>> and it's it's for free it's you know It

<<1816>> requires a bit of discipline. You have

<<1817>> to get yourself out like at that time,

<<1819>> but it was really it made a big

<<1821>> difference. So this of course I think

<<1825>> it's nothing new but like

<<1827>> >> really nourishing foods and especially

<<1829>> for hormones like good fats. I think

<<1832>> there is big still big misunderstanding

<<1834>> around like good fats just go for nuts,

<<1838>> avocados, fatty fishes, you know, like

<<1841>> mackerel, sardines, like just really go

<<1844>> for this chia seeds like

<<1847>> >> Yeah, for sure.

<<1848>> >> This is really amazing. Like have just

<<1850>> snacks.

<<1851>> >> This whole thing could become a podcast

<<1853>> like balancing hormones and and women's

<<1855>> health and would probably become a

<<1857>> podcast at some point. So

<<1859>> >> yes and and also because you know in

<<1861>> women we have this thing of yeah we need

<<1863>> to look good and still part of looking

<<1866>> good is being slim you know like I won't

<<1870>> say maybe thin but slim at least I think

<<1873>> now it's getting better we're more

<<1875>> talking about being in shape also

<<1877>> lifting weight which is super important

<<1878>> for hormones like I want to be strong

<<1880>> this is super good

<<1883>> >> but I think we suffered a lot from an

<<1885>> obsession of like being slim and This is

<<1888>> super hard on the hormones because it

<<1890>> kept us in survival mode, you know, like

<<1892>> not deeply nourishing your body enough

<<1895>> because this is what you do with diet.

<<1897>> It keeps your whole physiology in

<<1899>> survival. And so then yeah, the hormones

<<1902>> they stay out of whack like the sleep

<<1905>> cannot get better like cuz again if

<<1908>> you're in survival like all the rest

<<1910>> doesn't matter like I need to survive.

<<1912>> So food food and nourishing nourishing

<<1915>> like your this calorie nutrient ratio

<<1918>> that is the highest possible

<<1920>> >> super super uh uh important and then

<<1925>> like having in the somatic work in my

<<1929>> field we talk a lot about resources. So

<<1932>> having clarity on what's your resources

<<1935>> and resources it can be anything. It can

<<1937>> be this show that I love and it makes me

<<1940>> laugh, you know. It can be uh that

<<1943>> specific type of tea, you know,

<<1945>> preparing it like I I love doing that.

<<1947>> Like so that's a resource, you know, and

<<1949>> in my program uh so I have like online

<<1952>> programs on the nervous system. It's the

<<1954>> first things that we do like identifying

<<1956>> what are my resources because we're

<<1958>> going to like come back to that all the

<<1960>> time, you know, come back to that all

<<1961>> the time. And we're talking about when

<<1963>> we're triggered before. That's the

<<1965>> thing. Okay, I'm triggered. Like if I

<<1967>> know what are my resources, what allows

<<1969>> my system to come back

<<1971>> >> to regulation to myself to connection

<<1974>> like then it's everything's so much

<<1976>> easier. Everything's so much easier.

<<1978>> >> But a lot of people because we don't

<<1981>> take time or you know a lot of people

<<1983>> they tell me oh me I don't have

<<1984>> resources.

<<1986>> Everyone has like if you if you love the

<<1989>> smell of your coffee in the morning,

<<1991>> that's one, you know,

<<1993>> >> that's one. Even

<<1994>> >> I'm I'm one of those people.

<<1996>> >> Definitely. I I live in Italy. I go I go

<<2000>> to the to the coffee coffee roasters

<<2003>> like to the specialty coffee every

<<2004>> morning. This is like my

<<2006>> >> You're speaking to my heart, Camille.

<<2009>> I love this.

<<2012>> Um, so I know we covered a little bit of

<<2015>> everything and I'm looking at the list

<<2016>> of questions that I still have for you

<<2018>> and I would like to keep you here

<<2019>> forever, but I think I need to pick and

<<2021>> choose a little bit. Um, so I know we

<<2024>> talked about the importance of the link

<<2027>> that we have between mental health and

<<2030>> sleep and practices. So what is if you

<<2033>> want to share uh maybe some um rituals

<<2036>> that or unwind routines that you adopt

<<2039>> for your life and have found some

<<2041>> benefits or

<<2042>> >> Yes,

<<2043>> >> it's going to be maybe like a bit

<<2045>> surprising but it's movement. Yes. For

<<2048>> sleep

<<2048>> >> surprised.

<<2049>> >> Yeah, it's surprising. Uh and especially

<<2052>> free movement cuz now we associate

<<2055>> movement a lot with physical activity,

<<2057>> physical exercise which is amazing. you

<<2059>> know, you need to run, like go to the

<<2061>> gym, swim, every and everything is like

<<2065>> amazing, but it's always structured

<<2067>> movement, you know.

<<2068>> >> What about just letting my body do what

<<2071>> it what it wants? Like the children, you

<<2073>> know, now I have a 10-month old

<<2074>> daughter, like it's amazing to see her,

<<2076>> she discovers her own body, you know,

<<2079>> it's all those neural connection and

<<2081>> this is actually what fuels our

<<2083>> creativity, you know. So, and this

<<2086>> allows two things like to really if

<<2088>> there are tensions in my body like

<<2090>> they're going to release, you know, keep

<<2093>> my body in good flow also. Maybe I was a

<<2096>> bit a lot on the computer that day or

<<2097>> something. And it's going to allow me to

<<2099>> discharge that famous sympathetic energy

<<2102>> that I was talking about before. And you

<<2105>> know people who go to bed and like oh I

<<2106>> have anxiety or you put your head on the

<<2108>> pillow and like the

<<2109>> >> to-do list. Yeah.

<<2112>> This is because there is still

<<2113>> sympathetic energy in the system. There

<<2114>> is still energy of action. And if you go

<<2118>> and you discharge it before, it's

<<2120>> amazing. It's not going to be there

<<2121>> anymore. So movement, discharging, and

<<2124>> then calming down. And here I'm sure

<<2127>> people they know, you know, like less

<<2130>> screens, good, you know, room

<<2132>> temperature like reading a book, using

<<2135>> your serenity sleep system, all of that

<<2137>> to calm down. I think it's quite known

<<2139>> everything. But this thing before just

<<2141>> discharge do

<<2143>> >> bit of movement and then

<<2145>> >> and and how do you start if you don't

<<2146>> know what free movement is how do we

<<2149>> start?

<<2150>> >> How do we start? Yeah, that's a that's a

<<2153>> good one. like just you know it's trials

<<2156>> and errors I think and uh try to feel

<<2159>> you know in your body like is do I have

<<2162>> more energy in the legs you know and I'm

<<2163>> just going to move my legs something

<<2165>> just something is it more energy in my

<<2167>> arms like I'm just going to you know

<<2169>> move my arms it doesn't matter and here

<<2171>> but it you need to have a level of

<<2174>> authorization for yourself you know and

<<2176>> you have to be okay with it doesn't look

<<2178>> like anything it doesn't matter you know

<<2180>> >> yeah I think we are

<<2181>> >> not aesthetic we're not doing it for the

<<2182>> aesthetics

<<2184>> Yeah, I think that's key what you just

<<2186>> said but and we are so um conditioned in

<<2189>> a way to make and like conscious I I'm

<<2193>> pretty sure that even if we are alone in

<<2195>> the room we are still conscious of oh

<<2197>> how does this look

<<2199>> like who cares?

<<2202>> Yeah, because because there was I think

<<2203>> for a lot of us in the it's in the

<<2208>> accidental like in the no west part uh

<<2213>> modern society you know there was a lot

<<2215>> of shame attached to listening to our

<<2218>> needs you know if you take the most

<<2220>> basic things you're in school and you

<<2222>> want to go to the L and you cannot

<<2224>> because it's not break time like all

<<2226>> those things you know that we started to

<<2228>> disconnect and having shame like almost

<<2231>> I shouldn't need to go PP, you know,

<<2233>> right now. It's like,

<<2235>> >> yeah.

<<2236>> >> Yeah. So,

<<2237>> >> we've been so conditioned throughout our

<<2240>> lives that it's really hard to

<<2242>> disconnect from that.

<<2243>> >> I always tell my clients, you came here

<<2245>> and you think you thought you're going

<<2247>> to learn a lot, but we're going to

<<2248>> unlearn so much more before that.

<<2252>> I love this.

<<2255>> So Camille, in this minieries that you

<<2257>> will do um with us and it's starting in

<<2260>> October, but you'll be with us for three

<<2262>> months until December. So I'm really

<<2264>> really excited about that. Um you talk

<<2267>> uh about taking a truly integrated

<<2269>> approach to mental health. So what is

<<2272>> what does it look like to support the

<<2274>> body, the mind, emotions, just you know

<<2277>> supporting everything? I know this is a

<<2278>> big one. Rather than just going like and

<<2282>> look at one thing separated from the

<<2284>> other.

<<2285>> >> It looks like a full-time job.

<<2289>> >> Thank you for the honesty.

<<2291>> >> It's it's a joke. Sometimes people

<<2294>> asking, "Can I do your program like if I

<<2296>> have a full-time job?" Because it sounds

<<2297>> like a full-time job, right? H no no we

<<2300>> can we can do it like even in the nooks

<<2303>> and crannies and we can like have it

<<2306>> integrated in our life for sure. Um and

<<2309>> I think making sure you tend to three

<<2313>> things. So mind body and the one that

<<2316>> maybe we tend to forget or we don't talk

<<2319>> about a lot in the mind body like sphere

<<2322>> is the environment

<<2324>> >> and us in the somatic work we really

<<2327>> really try to be super um like paying a

<<2332>> lot of of attention to those three.

<<2334>> Okay. So when you do somatic work in the

<<2336>> body it doesn't mean that you should

<<2338>> forget about the mind like you shouldn't

<<2340>> have thoughts or you know like no you

<<2342>> use the mind you use what you know

<<2345>> >> for instance you listen to this podcast

<<2347>> and you're like oh wow I realized like

<<2350>> what's my takeaway I realized like I'm

<<2352>> very conditioned around movement in my

<<2354>> body you know okay now I know this

<<2356>> amazing I want to use that what I know

<<2358>> to actually allow my body to move so

<<2362>> >> um tending to to those and the

<<2364>> environment because we talked about

<<2367>> overwhelm, we talked about trauma. Where

<<2369>> did the trauma happen?

<<2371>> >> Mhm.

<<2372>> >> Usually in the environment, something

<<2374>> happened in the environment. And so if

<<2376>> you start paying attention, you you'll

<<2380>> start noticing very soon like you get

<<2382>> out of the house, I go for my morning

<<2384>> coffee for instance. Sometimes my head

<<2387>> is still in in the house like I I took

<<2390>> my body there to the to the

<<2393>> coffee place but I'm not saying

<<2396>> >> like I'm not there you know.

<<2398>> >> So and this and and this is so so so

<<2401>> powerful. People they say oh I cannot be

<<2402>> in the present moment. I'm going through

<<2405>> my life. I'm going through the motions.

<<2407>> I live like a zombie. Yeah. Start

<<2409>> orienting. Start orienting to the

<<2411>> environment. Oh I have anxiety. I don't

<<2413>> feel safe. Start orienting. You're safe

<<2415>> right now. You're safe right now. But

<<2417>> for for this, you need to

<<2419>> >> get aware of your environment. So being

<<2422>> aware of all three things moment after

<<2424>> moment like it's it's not going to it's

<<2427>> a practice. It's a practice. But being

<<2428>> aware of my mind, my body, and my

<<2430>> environment at all times if possible.

<<2433>> >> So that's the first thing for sure. And

<<2436>> then in those three areas, so in my

<<2439>> mind, in my body, in my environment,

<<2441>> making sure I have the three key

<<2443>> ingredients of regulation,

<<2446>> >> which are safety,

<<2448>> support,

<<2450>> and time safety because if if you want

<<2453>> to yeah get out of survival mode, you

<<2456>> need to and not tell because the nervous

<<2459>> system, it doesn't understand like

<<2460>> French or Italian or English, like it

<<2462>> doesn't matter. like make your system

<<2465>> feel

<<2466>> >> safe. Okay. So all the somatic practices

<<2469>> like the oils etc those are tools to

<<2472>> make your body feel safe. And then you

<<2475>> need to feel that you have support. Also

<<2477>> think about all the things in your life

<<2480>> that were traumas but wouldn't be

<<2483>> traumas if you had the support. Like if

<<2485>> you had

<<2487>> >> a a compassionate like witness, you

<<2489>> know, if you had someone telling you,

<<2491>> you know, when we were when we were

<<2492>> children, like you had someone telling

<<2494>> you it's not your fault, like you're

<<2496>> doing great, you know, like you need

<<2498>> that support. and and the society it's

<<2502>> making us believe we don't need support

<<2504>> you know self-made man self-made woman

<<2506>> we need support like it's no one got

<<2509>> where they are without support like it's

<<2511>> just a lie so safety support and time

<<2514>> and time and this

<<2516>> >> again if you're maybe developing the

<<2518>> doera business you know yes we have all

<<2521>> those goals and it's amazing month after

<<2524>> month but what if you say okay I have

<<2527>> time I'm going to do it if you're like

<<2529>> you wanted to do it in a year and think

<<2532>> if I do it in 3 years,

<<2534>> >> oh wow, how how safe I feel, you know,

<<2537>> like I have time. It it really relaxes

<<2540>> everything and and it allows you to keep

<<2542>> going actually

<<2544>> >> because you feel safe. You don't go in

<<2545>> survival mode. You go don't go into your

<<2547>> to your triggers. you you you

<<2550>> think clearly and then you're going to

<<2552>> do it faster in the end, you know, like

<<2554>> with it's very it's a big paradox. But

<<2557>> >> so yeah, we need this safety, support,

<<2560>> and time. And it sounds very easy.

<<2565>> >> It's not so easy.

<<2567>> >> It's or it sound it's simple but not

<<2569>> easy.

<<2569>> >> Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Um and the thing

<<2572>> about time uh I was listening to a

<<2574>> podcast recently and we always think we

<<2577>> don't have enough time and we start

<<2578>> making excuses I don't have time for

<<2580>> this I don't have time for that but

<<2582>> actually we if we think about our life

<<2584>> we do have a lot of time um and it's

<<2588>> about making time like creating the time

<<2590>> for those thing that you want to change

<<2593>> or implement in your life those daily

<<2595>> routines that your business and so on

<<2597>> and so forth there is actually a a book

<<2599>> called make time which can really

<<2602>> recommend. It's an excellent book and me

<<2604>> it changed my perception like a lot

<<2607>> because I was the person who was super

<<2611>> satisfied if I had ticked everything on

<<2612>> my to-do list at the end of the day you

<<2614>> know but this is really the recipe for

<<2616>> burnout because it's almost like an

<<2618>> addiction you know the more the more

<<2619>> things I tick off like the most

<<2621>> satisfied I am and in this make time

<<2623>> they tell you you choose one thing

<<2625>> that's like the highlight of your day

<<2626>> and then all the rest it's bonus

<<2629>> basically you know so that podcast for

<<2631>> instance would be the highlight of the

<<2633>> day. This is the most important thing.

<<2634>> And then if I manage to do anything

<<2636>> else, like I can be super happy

<<2639>> >> and and this is just and and it allows

<<2642>> you also to prioritize and say, "Okay,

<<2644>> what's really important

<<2647>> >> cuz a lot of time, you know, yeah,

<<2649>> >> we're just busy." But

<<2650>> >> but that's the thing with feeling

<<2652>> overwhelmed and um yeah, feeling like we

<<2655>> don't have time. I think we lost a

<<2656>> little bit the capacity of understanding

<<2658>> what's truly super important and I need

<<2660>> to do that now because everything feels

<<2663>> like a priority if you're under stress,

<<2664>> if you're overwhelmed. So, I'm probably

<<2666>> speaking for myself. I don't know.

<<2670>> But sometimes I feel like, oh, actually

<<2672>> that wasn't really important. It's just

<<2674>> my body perceived that as a priority,

<<2676>> but it wasn't really. So, it's a lot of

<<2679>> work and relearning.

<<2681>> >> Absolutely. You know, Alex Hormosi, he's

<<2683>> like a super successful entrepreneur. He

<<2685>> said as soon as we started to put

<<2687>> priorities in plural, we ripped it off

<<2690>> like it's power because if you have

<<2692>> priorities, it's not a priority anymore.

<<2695>> Like priority, it's a it's a singular

<<2698>> like you cannot put it plural, you know?

<<2701>> >> So, it's one priority a day. Yeah. Yeah.

<<2703>> That's a good way to put it. Amazing. Uh

<<2706>> so Camille, before I let you go, um

<<2708>> could I please ask you two more

<<2711>> questions?

<<2713>> So if our listeners could walk away, uh

<<2716>> from this episode, um with one simple

<<2718>> mental health um like toolkit that they

<<2721>> can incorporate into their daily lives

<<2723>> and routine, what would that be?

<<2726>> So I think I would say awareness on what

<<2730>> your resources are. This is super super

<<2732>> important. really make a list like write

<<2734>> it down because then when you're

<<2736>> triggered, you know, it's not the moment

<<2737>> where you have creativity. So write it

<<2739>> down, have it have it there and like

<<2741>> keep like uh adding things as as you go

<<2745>> and as you start having more and more

<<2747>> awareness, you know, like

<<2748>> >> so really resources uh one practice

<<2751>> that's orientation like orient yourself

<<2754>> in your environment and it's so simple.

<<2755>> But it's really just letting your eyes

<<2757>> like go you know with curiosity just go

<<2760>> through the room where you are like the

<<2762>> I don't know the landscape anything like

<<2764>> orient orient orient just doing this for

<<2767>> a month you'll see so much difference so

<<2769>> much difference

<<2770>> >> and and those tricking regions that I

<<2773>> was talking about safety support time

<<2775>> like implement that to like how can I

<<2777>> give myself more safety how can I get

<<2779>> more support and this for women big

<<2782>> another big authorization that we need

<<2784>> to give ourselves how Can I get more

<<2786>> support and how can I have time?

<<2789>> >> Um,

<<2790>> planning time. And this is going to

<<2792>> maybe sound a bit uh extreme, but put it

<<2796>> in your calendar like no phone time.

<<2799>> >> Like it's it's Yeah. You know, I was I

<<2802>> was on vacation for a week lately and I

<<2805>> was like, you know, when I truly rest

<<2807>> when I don't have my phone. Like it was

<<2809>> so clear. It's crazy. It was a

<<2811>> difference in my body and and I felt how

<<2813>> addicted I was also like I'm not you

<<2816>> know give I'm not lecturing anyone cuz

<<2818>> I'm the first like

<<2820>> >> but I think it's a good exercise that we

<<2822>> could all try even just for fun you know

<<2823>> you try maybe for 6 hours and then it

<<2825>> becomes I don't know 18 24 and see how

<<2828>> it goes. Exactly. Exactly. Absolutely.

<<2831>> Absolutely. And have your essential oils

<<2833>> with you. For for me, mental healthwise,

<<2836>> it's really the adaptive system. I

<<2838>> always joke, but I was like when I was

<<2839>> at peak of anxieties in my life, I was

<<2842>> just bathing in adaptive

<<2844>> adaptive

<<2846>> frankincense for me, balance blend is

<<2849>> like and copaiba. Those are your go-tos,

<<2853>> I think. Um, yeah, that that would be

<<2856>> it.

<<2856>> >> That's beautiful. Thank you. And because

<<2859>> uh you mentioned the oils, I feel

<<2861>> compelled and I cannot let you go before

<<2863>> asking this question. Very difficult.

<<2865>> What is your absolute favorite oil?

<<2869>> >> I know.

<<2869>> >> Oh my god.

<<2873>> I can't have a top three. I always share

<<2875>> a top three. No. Okay. Um

<<2880>> yeah, you know, I I really hesitating

<<2882>> between frankincense and Copaiba, but I

<<2885>> think I would even go to Copaiba first.

<<2888>> Okay.

<<2888>> >> So yeah, for me it's like

<<2892>> super oil and my top three copiba,

<<2894>> frankincense and lavender. For me it's

<<2896>> the universal oils, you know, like

<<2900>> >> you you cannot go wrong. You cannot go

<<2902>> wrong. And and another oil I love if I

<<2904>> can have one which is more surprising.

<<2906>> Don't ask me why. It's arborv. I'm

<<2909>> >> arbor. I'm like obsessed with the smell.

<<2912>> like it's the smell and um and yes, it's

<<2916>> it's an oil emotionally that talks about

<<2918>> receiving support, receiving divine

<<2920>> support and it's for people, you know,

<<2922>> who think they can do it on their own

<<2923>> and so it talks to me a lot in that

<<2926>> also. I love the smell. I'm like I just

<<2929>> I love this oil.

<<2931>> >> Oh, that's beautiful.

<<2933>> >> Camille, thank you so much for uh

<<2935>> sharing your knowledge, your time with

<<2937>> us. It's been absolute pleasure to to

<<2940>> interview you and I cannot wait for

<<2942>> everyone to and even me because I

<<2944>> haven't seen it yet um to go and have

<<2946>> access to the miniseries on mental

<<2948>> health with you. Uh so you will keep us

<<2950>> company until Christmas. Um and I'm

<<2952>> really really excited. So thank you

<<2954>> again. You are wonderful um truly

<<2958>> special human being. So thank you for

<<2959>> being here with us today. Thank you

<<2961>> Ludo. Thank you so much. Thank you

<<2962>> everyone.