Daniel and Lindsay Plantin: A Story of Resilience and Self-Belief

<<0>> Hi and welcome to dou the official

<<2>> podcast of do Europe. Here you'll hear

<<5>> from worldclass speakers and experts

<<8>> sharing education, inspiration and

<<10>> practical tips to help you live your

<<12>> best daughter life. I'm Luda Bulcato

<<15>> product education manager for Doora

<<16>> Europe and I'm excited to be your host

<<19>> today. I'm joined by Lindsay and Daniel

<<21>> Plantin and honestly where do we even

<<23>> begin with these two? They are the

<<25>> perfect example of what we call the

<<27>> doera magic living authentically.

<<29>> creating freedom on their own terms and

<<31>> inspiring others with the honesty and

<<33>> raw heart-to-he heart conversations.

<<36>> They truly show what's possible when

<<38>> wellness, business, and personal growth

<<40>> come together.

<<43>> >> Lindsay Daniel, welcome to the Terrau.

<<45>> It's so exciting to have you guys here

<<47>> with me. So, thank you for joining.

<<49>> >> Thanks for having us.

<<50>> >> How you feeling?

<<52>> >> Yeah, a little a little nervous about

<<54>> what you're going to ask, but I'm ready.

<<57>> No, it'll be I'll do my best to put you

<<59>> at ease. Uh I'll be I'll be good with

<<62>> you guys.

<<64>> >> Some of our viewers might not know you.

<<66>> So, would you mind taking us back uh

<<68>> down memory lane and just tell us how

<<71>> the your do journey started, please?

<<74>> >> I think this one's definitely definitely

<<76>> for you, babe.

<<77>> >> Yeah. Um well, we first started I was

<<80>> heavily pregnant and we just had um a

<<83>> trip. We've been traveling for a few

<<85>> months with our one and a half year old

<<87>> and I was pregnant and then my health

<<90>> had gone a little bit downhill. My

<<91>> pelvis was beginning to degrade. Um and

<<94>> so then one of my best friends, Rebecca

<<96>> BS, who you may know, um came and said,

<<99>> "Oh, she I've discovered these amazing

<<100>> oils and they've been doing this, this,

<<102>> this, and telling me all these amazing

<<103>> things they've been doing and I'm going

<<104>> to do this as a business. Do you want to

<<106>> do it with me?" And I literally looked

<<107>> at her and I was like, "No, I just want

<<110>> to walk properly. That would be all I

<<112>> would like right now." Um, and so that's

<<114>> kind of the beginning where so she gave

<<116>> me a few oils, which we now know was

<<119>> sampling. Um, so she gave me a few oils

<<121>> and we started using them on our son who

<<123>> had kind of gut issues and things. Um,

<<125>> and then she then calls back a few weeks

<<127>> later and she's like, "I'd really like

<<128>> to um give you some oils and I just need

<<131>> to you just need to pay for your

<<132>> account."

<<133>> >> And I was like, "That's the catch. This

<<135>> is this is the catch. this is an M. And

<<137>> so um we're discussing and she said I'd

<<140>> really like to have you as one of our

<<141>> like partners I work with.

<<143>> >> Um which now I looking back I'm like

<<146>> gosh that's the biggest compliment she

<<148>> could have ever given me. She was so

<<149>> adamant she wanted to work with me. Um

<<152>> which is really really lovely. And then

<<154>> Daniel says to me he's like well the big

<<156>> the worst question for someone who

<<158>> suffers from FOMO. She says well how how

<<159>> would you feel if Beex is traveling all

<<162>> over the world and she's really

<<163>> successful with Doera? um and you

<<165>> decided not to do it with her.

<<168>> >> I'm like, well, that would be rubbish.

<<171>> >> Yeah.

<<172>> >> And just fast forward a few years and

<<174>> that's exactly what we were doing. And

<<176>> literally it's been 10 years well 11

<<178>> years, but

<<179>> >> for 10 years we've been traveling all

<<181>> over the well all over the world

<<183>> together. Um and I love that all of our

<<185>> business trips I get to hang out with

<<186>> one of my best friends.

<<188>> >> Amazing.

<<188>> >> And now we get to we get to do it

<<190>> together because we're all hanging out

<<191>> with her husband. So we all just hang

<<193>> out together. Um, and so it's kind of

<<195>> come true. We literally what Daniel

<<197>> predicted um is exactly what happened.

<<199>> And that's how and it was solving a

<<201>> problem for I think this is one of the

<<203>> biggest things with Doera is that we get

<<205>> to solve someone's problem and then

<<206>> invite them to solve it themselves. And

<<208>> that's what she did. She kind of gave me

<<210>> a taster of some of the problems it

<<211>> could solve.

<<212>> >> Um, and then

<<214>> >> invited me to do a bit more. Um, and

<<216>> actually that point that was when my

<<218>> pelvis really went downhill and so it

<<220>> was a lot of health struggles at the

<<222>> time. And so Doera kind of became

<<225>> something I could be good at even when I

<<226>> felt like I was rubbish at

<<228>> >> everything else. Like, you know, I

<<230>> wasn't the mom I wanted to be. I wasn't

<<232>> the wife I wanted to be or the sister or

<<234>> anyone, but I could I could teach a

<<236>> class. You know, I had to sit to teach

<<237>> the class, but I could teach a class and

<<240>> I could bring oils to other people. And

<<241>> that was that was really lovely. So,

<<243>> that was kind of the beginning of the

<<244>> journey.

<<245>> >> I still thought like this was

<<248>> >> 2014. So I always know when we started

<<250>> cuz it was like 3 days before our

<<252>> daughter was born.

<<255>> >> So that was where we began. Um and

<<257>> Daniel's like if this is what you like

<<259>> to do with your spare time as your hobby

<<261>> then that's fine by me. That was

<<263>> Daniel's approach.

<<265>> >> Um so that's how it began was my hobby.

<<268>> >> Yeah.

<<269>> >> And when when have you joined Daniel?

<<271>> >> So I

<<274>> Yeah. Still have I the Lindsay is

<<277>> absolutely right. I think my thing was I

<<279>> realized at the time Lindsay's m she

<<281>> wants to be the best mom that she can be

<<283>> and you are. I know you don't believe it

<<285>> but you are. Um but that's the main

<<287>> thing for Lindsay. And so I was worried

<<289>> because time was so short that any time

<<292>> that she would have for herself whether

<<294>> she'd go out with her sisters or friends

<<296>> or go dancing stuff like that she was

<<298>> now going to use that to share the oils.

<<301>> And I was kind of nervous about that. So

<<303>> that's why I was like, if this is what

<<304>> you want to do with the small amounts of

<<306>> time that you still have left over, then

<<307>> it's on you. But but so at first I was

<<310>> like, this is something dodgy. What is

<<312>> going on here? These oils, this weird

<<315>> pyramid scheme, snake oils. But you go

<<318>> for it. Whatever. It's all good. Um, but

<<321>> certainly, I'll be honest, it was when

<<323>> some money started coming in. And I

<<325>> think the first time I was like, you're

<<326>> spending way too much money on these

<<328>> oils. We don't need all of this. And you

<<329>> were like, "Well, actually, check this

<<332>> out." And I'm like, "Whoa, what is going

<<335>> on here? Free." And I'm like, "I can't

<<338>> say anything now." And I, which was

<<340>> frustrating, but but then I I do

<<342>> remember it was I was at a crossroads. I

<<344>> was actually going to start up a smart

<<346>> home company is what I was going to do.

<<347>> And then Lindsay said, "Well, why don't

<<349>> you try and do this for kind of six

<<351>> months and let's see how how you get

<<353>> on." Uh, six months has turned into

<<355>> pretty much eight years now. And uh

<<357>> yeah, how my trial I'm still on trial

<<360>> now.

<<361>> >> We'll see after the podcast review at

<<363>> the end of the podcast.

<<366>> >> We didn't plan this by the way. It's

<<367>> just like

<<369>> >> it's funny and I think one of the things

<<371>> that I really like seeing is that and

<<373>> Daniel's definitely been an example of

<<375>> this is that the moment that Daniel

<<377>> really stepped into it. I was heavily

<<379>> pregnant with our third child and I'd

<<381>> been doing fairs and then teaching a

<<383>> workshop and fairs and teaching workshop

<<385>> and there was a fair and I just said

<<386>> like I just I just not I'm not standing

<<388>> all day. I was eight months pregnant.

<<391>> I'm just not doing it. So either you go

<<392>> and do the fair or no one will be at the

<<395>> fair.

<<396>> >> Um and Daniel was like

<<398>> I don't want to do I don't know enough

<<400>> about oils. Um and I was like well

<<403>> you'll be fine. Just go. And literally

<<405>> 20 minutes later, like 20 minutes after

<<407>> the beginning of the of this fair, I get

<<409>> a message going,

<<411>> >> I sold a home essentials kit.

<<415>> >> Literally, first lady came up to me and

<<417>> it actually turned out a customer.

<<420>> >> Yeah. Yeah.

<<420>> >> And even what was worse is she then

<<422>> said, "I would have bought your biggest

<<423>> kit."

<<424>> >> Yeah. You still She still needs to buy

<<426>> that. Actually, I need to call her. I'll

<<428>> follow that up.

<<429>> >> Come on, Emma.

<<430>> >> Okay. We'll create a special kit for

<<432>> these ladies.

<<434>> And I think that's one of the things I

<<436>> like is that people often don't believe

<<438>> what they're capable of. And so Doera

<<441>> can really kind of push you to the

<<442>> limits of your comfort zone and make you

<<445>> step into something a little bit more.

<<447>> >> And it's so it's so beautiful to see

<<450>> that over and over again like to see it

<<453>> for Daniel but to see it for our team

<<454>> and um you know each of us are kind of

<<457>> each time stretching our comfort zone to

<<460>> do something better. And

<<461>> >> and I love that. That's one of the best

<<463>> parts about it.

<<464>> >> And have you kind of like become

<<466>> different people along the journey?

<<469>> >> Like have you evolved? Have you changed?

<<471>> >> Definitely. I mean it's been 10 years. I

<<473>> hope we have 11 years. So um I think

<<475>> we've had we've changed in terms of well

<<478>> >> we started with a little toddler and now

<<480>> we have a teenager and a pre-teen

<<483>> >> girl. That definitely changes you.

<<487>> >> Um so there's that side of it that we

<<489>> have to kind of evolve with our our

<<490>> family. But as leaders, yeah, I think

<<494>> there there's um I think imposter

<<496>> syndrome comes in still. There's

<<497>> definitely always that like

<<499>> >> why why would you be here on this

<<500>> podcast? Who are you to be speaking to

<<502>> other people? Um but I think kind of

<<504>> recognizing

<<506>> some of your strengths a little bit more

<<508>> and kind of

<<509>> >> feeling like, oh, you know, I actually

<<512>> do have something quite special and

<<513>> people do want to listen to me. I'm like

<<516>> and it really really makes me feel like

<<519>> makes me cry often when people are

<<521>> really like

<<522>> >> just when we when we reached Blue

<<523>> Diamond and then we got so many lovely

<<525>> videos and messages and actually I

<<527>> thought oh they're really genuinely

<<528>> happy for us and that really that really

<<531>> touched me like just so much love and

<<534>> happiness for the people around you. So

<<536>> I think

<<537>> >> it helps you to grow into a more

<<540>> >> confident version I think of yourself.

<<543>> So it will enhance whatever you already

<<546>> have there, I would say. So if you're

<<548>> someone who wants to be kind, then make

<<551>> even kinder. Yeah.

<<552>> >> You know, that's what I think.

<<554>> >> That's nice.

<<557>> >> I can't add anything to that.

<<559>> >> What am I supposed to do after that? So

<<562>> cute. You bring out the big guns all

<<563>> emotion. I'm like,

<<566>> >> that's really lovely. That's really

<<569>> melt in there. No, there's nothing.

<<571>> What? I'm just ruining it.

<<573>> That's too good. There's nothing more I

<<574>> can add to that.

<<576>> >> No, you dropped the mic if you could if

<<578>> it wasn't on one of these. So, yeah.

<<581>> >> But I know the terra can stretch, you

<<583>> know, your boundaries and your limit and

<<584>> push you like close to your limit. So,

<<586>> has there ever been a moment where you

<<588>> felt like you were reaching your limit

<<589>> and you kind of almost walked away from

<<592>> doera? And if so, are you comfortable to

<<594>> share?

<<595>> >> Yeah, I think I think we should. I think

<<597>> it's easy and this is one of the things

<<598>> about social media. I think it's a big

<<600>> thing. It's like we always a lot of

<<602>> people project like this life and I

<<604>> think it's so challenging for us as

<<607>> parents, individuals, anybody like you

<<609>> know you have these guys. I I split my

<<611>> day in two. I actually have two days a

<<614>> day. I I'm up from this time to this

<<616>> time and I've been to the gym and I've

<<617>> done this and I've put my I've done my

<<619>> ice face bath and I've done this. You

<<621>> you know who I'm talking about. There's

<<623>> all all of this stuff. There's so much

<<624>> pressure. So I think it is important to

<<626>> say yeah we've had many of those

<<628>> conversations. Is this the right thing?

<<631>> Is this the right direction of travel

<<632>> for us, our family? Um, can we do this?

<<636>> Do we want to do it? And I think really

<<638>> for me now, my my key things when I

<<640>> speak to people who are doing the

<<641>> business with us is what is it that you

<<644>> actually want? Because I often hear

<<646>> people say, "Oh, I'd like to be diamond.

<<648>> I'd like to be blue diamond." But what

<<650>> does that actually look like when you

<<652>> reach that? What will it enable you to

<<654>> do? And I think we need to sometimes

<<656>> drill down on that because it's all very

<<658>> well saying, I want to change the world

<<660>> one drop at a time. But what does that

<<662>> actually look like? What does it mean? I

<<664>> know for Lindsay, for example, one of

<<665>> the things is, you know, her mom lives

<<668>> in France and and wants to do lots of

<<670>> things in the land there. And then

<<671>> you're very keen about helping lots of

<<673>> people. For me, uh certainly one of the

<<677>> things that I love is seeing people

<<679>> whose lives have changed. Like for

<<680>> example, we've got a lady in our team,

<<682>> Lisa. she was a driving instructor. Um,

<<685>> and now she's no longer a driving

<<686>> instructor. She's able to do DotTerra.

<<688>> And then another lady, Rachel, she had a

<<690>> franchise. She's no longer having to do

<<692>> that. She can focus on Doera. And I find

<<694>> that really inspiring. However, it is

<<697>> hard. And I know it's cheesy. They say

<<699>> it's called network marketing because

<<701>> you the work part's really key. Um, but

<<704>> we've never done anything like this

<<705>> before. So, we are not professional

<<708>> direct sellers. We're just a guy and a

<<710>> girl who love oils, love doera, and

<<714>> we're like telling everybody about it

<<715>> and come along with us. We'll have fun.

<<718>> Lots of laughter along the way as you

<<719>> well know. Um, so yeah, we have had

<<722>> those discussions and I think it's

<<724>> important to kind of go back over,

<<728>> analyze where you're at, where you want

<<729>> to go, and most importantly, is doterra

<<733>> the vehicle that can get you there? Um,

<<735>> we firmly believe it is. So every time

<<737>> we have these conversations, we're like,

<<739>> "Yeah, this is this is the right place."

<<741>> >> I think also the the way you do it will

<<744>> has evolved. Um yeah, the way we've done

<<747>> it since the beginning. So when we had I

<<749>> remember the month we reached diamond

<<751>> and we got to the other month and I I

<<753>> taught something ridiculous like 20

<<755>> classes that month. Um and we had Luke

<<758>> was tiny. So every class I taught he was

<<760>> with me. He was teaching too. One of the

<<762>> things I loved about Doera is that even

<<764>> when we were, you know, I was doing

<<766>> Doerra, I was still mommy and I loved

<<768>> that. I love that he never had to

<<771>> >> I never had to sacrifice that. So, he's

<<772>> traveled all over the world uh with me.

<<775>> So, it was always my class bag, my toy

<<778>> bag or like whatever he needed to come

<<780>> with me and um and it was brilliant and

<<782>> so I loved that. But I remember at the

<<783>> end of that diamond month I was

<<786>> absolutely on my knees and then and then

<<788>> the month doesn't end and then everyone

<<790>> leaves you alone. the month ends and

<<792>> then it continues. And at that point, I

<<794>> was like, "Oh my gosh, I'm out." And I

<<796>> literally took the kids and went to my

<<798>> dad's like, "You can figure the rest out

<<800>> because I was so

<<802>> >> um and so I wasn't walking away from Do

<<804>> I just needed to kind of protect myself

<<807>> a little bit?" And so that was

<<808>> something. And what was the massive

<<810>> contrast was with when we reached Blue

<<812>> Diamond, we had um our niec's wedding

<<816>> during that month. And so I'd had four

<<818>> days out like decorating the hall and

<<821>> >> whatever needed to be done for that. And

<<823>> so I'd protected that time um because I

<<825>> knew that was happening and I kne we

<<827>> knew that that was when we were reaching

<<828>> it. And so it wasn't I got to the end of

<<829>> the month and when we thought

<<831>> >> well

<<832>> >> we did it. I'm not on my knees. I can

<<834>> still carry on. I didn't feel like I

<<836>> needed to run away from everyone.

<<838>> >> Um and so

<<839>> >> we have had those moments where we've

<<841>> questioned it and evaluated it. we've

<<843>> also had learning opportunities to

<<845>> change the way we're doing it so that it

<<847>> doesn't totally break us along the way.

<<850>> >> Um, so but I think that question is

<<852>> really important to ask ourselves all

<<854>> the time and also sometimes we've asked

<<856>> people like well do you want to stop

<<858>> actually Beex asked me that question

<<860>> because I always have that no she asks

<<862>> me that question. I think it was years

<<863>> ago, maybe two years in.

<<866>> >> To be fair, we have this conversation on

<<867>> rotation like, "Oh, I'm not spending too

<<870>> much time away from the children." Like

<<872>> children. Yeah, exactly. As Dan has

<<874>> mentioned, it's always for me, it's

<<876>> always like, "Am I there for the

<<878>> children enough and like that's always

<<880>> my priority and there's definitely

<<882>> cycles where I feel like I am and others

<<884>> where I feel like I've kind of need to

<<885>> claw some time back." And so Beex has

<<887>> said to me, well, you know, do you want

<<889>> to stop? Because there's totally a way

<<890>> out if you want to stop. and we're we're

<<893>> one of their frontline leaders. And I

<<895>> remember thinking like, no, I don't want

<<897>> to stop.

<<899>> >> Um, but I think I think it's really

<<901>> important that there's always

<<904>> you never you're never held to ransom.

<<905>> There's no contract to say that you have

<<907>> to do terror forever,

<<909>> >> which is kind of a blessing and a curse.

<<911>> Um, but I think it means that we're

<<913>> choosing like maybe not every day

<<916>> because we're not making the decision

<<917>> every day, but you know, every month,

<<918>> every year, we're choosing that Doerra

<<920>> is the way that we're going to support

<<921>> our family. And

<<922>> >> um, I think that's really powerful.

<<925>> >> Choosing.

<<925>> >> Yeah. We're choosing it. Yeah.

<<927>> >> And that because so many people are kind

<<929>> of going through things at work or, you

<<932>> know, at home and they're not really

<<934>> choosing. They're just kind of going

<<935>> through the motions.

<<936>> >> Oh my gosh, that feels like hell to me.

<<938>> I would hate to be in a job or in a

<<940>> place where

<<942>> >> it's just you just have to go through

<<943>> the motions

<<945>> >> and I think that would be torture and I

<<947>> and I'm so I' realized that that's a

<<950>> privilege that I've well I've never felt

<<952>> like that as a teacher. I didn't feel

<<953>> like that either but um I was a math and

<<956>> science teacher before.

<<957>> >> Total geek.

<<960>> Um but but I think it's it's to know

<<963>> that you're doing something worthwhile

<<964>> and that you are choosing to do that is

<<967>> I think is amazing

<<968>> >> and a real privilege.

<<969>> >> Yeah.

<<971>> >> So um we touched on a little bit about

<<974>> family and obviously you were together

<<975>> as a couple. How do you stay sane

<<979>> >> both when you're you know like a couple

<<982>> and when you're doing the business?

<<985>> I think Doerra is such a massive part of

<<988>> our life like it it's not really

<<991>> separate. Um I remember when Lindsay was

<<993>> a teacher and I I was uh had my job uh

<<996>> working in real estate that I felt very

<<999>> easy I could come in the front door and

<<1001>> and work stopped. Lindsay still brought

<<1004>> home work. Um, but for us certainly I

<<1008>> think like I' I I know I'm batting well

<<1011>> above my average when it comes to I I I

<<1013>> I've done well. I'm often told I've done

<<1016>> well. You've done well. Thank you.

<<1017>> >> Absolutely.

<<1019>> I've done well. Just just to clarify.

<<1022>> All right.

<<1022>> >> I'm agreeing my love.

<<1023>> >> Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I totally got that.

<<1027>> >> But I think we're very honest with how

<<1029>> and and we don't always agree. But one

<<1032>> of the things that we've kind of leared

<<1033>> to do is and we did this quite a bit

<<1035>> where we would go when we would discuss

<<1037>> doera we would do in open spaces outside

<<1040>> which I think is pretty good but we are

<<1043>> we we both have our own ways we both

<<1045>> have our own um but I think normally

<<1048>> because our goal and purpose is the same

<<1050>> which is ultimately to serve and help

<<1052>> our team and help others and create a

<<1054>> real impact for them and and for us and

<<1056>> everyone we come into contact. think

<<1058>> that helps. We have that same goal and I

<<1062>> think yes, we might have different ways

<<1064>> of getting there, but I'm also very

<<1066>> clear on I know what Lindsay is really

<<1068>> good at and she knows what I'm really

<<1070>> good at cuz I think it's hard especially

<<1072>> for guys coming into what is very much a

<<1075>> female dominant. Yeah, that's cool. You

<<1078>> know, you got it right and I'll give you

<<1080>> that one. Um, so I I came in late and I

<<1084>> did try and reinvent the wheel, but

<<1086>> really that was quite a humbling

<<1088>> experience and maybe we'll touch on that

<<1090>> later, but but certainly for me um I did

<<1093>> the things in the beginning that you

<<1095>> didn't want to do like the back office

<<1097>> stuff, power three, but I really

<<1098>> actually enjoyed that and then I knew

<<1101>> that I was adding value. But a lot of

<<1103>> guys who come into these successful

<<1105>> businesses or even businesses that are

<<1107>> just starting out, it's their baby. It's

<<1109>> not not yours. So you you need to kind

<<1111>> of tread carefully and it's hard to find

<<1113>> that place and and this is one of the

<<1115>> great things about working with an

<<1117>> upline that really cares and gets you.

<<1119>> And it was Nathan who was like you need

<<1121>> to step into your light. You you you are

<<1124>> there on your own merit, not on Lindsay,

<<1127>> not on us, on on you. And and that

<<1130>> really changed things for me. And I

<<1131>> really wanted to find my place within

<<1133>> DoTerra. And I feel I've done that. I

<<1136>> feel like often we'll say like I don't

<<1139>> need Lindsay now to do D doer as a

<<1141>> business and Lindsay doesn't need me but

<<1144>> I sure as hell I want like I absolutely

<<1148>> like I'd be in so much trouble without

<<1150>> you

<<1150>> >> and you have the energy about you guys.

<<1152>> I mean, I love you. That's not me.

<<1155>> >> I think actually realized quite how much

<<1157>> Daniel did when we did Power Three and

<<1159>> Daniel was at Wrestlemania. Yes.

<<1161>> >> Not available.

<<1163>> >> And I did end of month and I was like,

<<1165>> "Oh my gosh." Like the pressure if

<<1167>> there's one thing wrong then the whole

<<1169>> thing. And then I was like, "Oh my

<<1171>> goodness." And I was so grateful when he

<<1172>> got back. He's like, "You can do end of

<<1174>> month now."

<<1176>> >> Um, so I think, yeah, being able to add

<<1178>> things to each other. And I love that

<<1180>> that's definitely one thing we instilled

<<1181>> as morning meetings were a walk

<<1183>> together. That was really good. And we

<<1185>> have separate offices. So we are

<<1187>> working, you know, we're working because

<<1189>> otherwise we can distract each other so

<<1190>> easily because

<<1192>> >> you'll ask for the other one's opinion

<<1193>> even if you don't really need it

<<1195>> >> because they're next to you.

<<1196>> >> Of course.

<<1197>> >> So if we're at the kitchen table

<<1198>> working, then the things are much slower

<<1200>> because we'll be like, "What do you

<<1202>> think of this?"

<<1203>> >> Just bouncing over.

<<1204>> >> Yeah. So we still do that. We just send

<<1206>> it.

<<1208>> Um so having some space and having and

<<1211>> the capacity to actually throw things

<<1213>> back and forth. I think one of the

<<1214>> things that works really well is that um

<<1218>> we'll mentor people slightly differently

<<1220>> and we know that sometimes people need

<<1223>> Daniel and sometimes they need me. And

<<1225>> so we used to be like you're mentoring

<<1226>> this person and you I'm mentoring these

<<1228>> people. So we had our little lists of

<<1229>> people that we were kind of responsible

<<1231>> for. Um, and now it's kind of blurred a

<<1233>> little bit because maybe they'll they'll

<<1235>> ask for a session with me or they'll ask

<<1237>> for a session with Daniel or maybe they

<<1239>> need more numbers or they won't even

<<1240>> ask. They'll just call Daniel or call

<<1242>> me.

<<1242>> >> Um, and it's been so good to see that

<<1245>> actually

<<1246>> >> they can get what they need from either

<<1248>> of us and it works and it's really good.

<<1250>> It's so good

<<1252>> >> to be able to combine the two together.

<<1254>> >> And that would have been my next

<<1255>> question. Have you ever disagreed on how

<<1257>> you lead the team?

<<1258>> So,

<<1260>> how did you manage to stay aligned

<<1261>> during conflict? Maybe

<<1264>> >> I don't think we ever had a conflict

<<1265>> about how to lead the team. We usually

<<1267>> will discuss it.

<<1268>> >> Um, so as Daniel said, our our goal is

<<1271>> the same. It's kind of the the

<<1273>> intricacies of how that works. Logistics

<<1275>> of it

<<1276>> >> might be slightly different and we might

<<1278>> see it slightly differently.

<<1279>> >> Um, but generally if I feel strongly or

<<1283>> I have something that I'm really

<<1284>> passionate about, then Daniel will

<<1285>> support me to do it. And likewise if

<<1286>> Daniel's feeling passion or something,

<<1288>> yeah, go for it.

<<1289>> >> And so we'll kind of free each other up

<<1290>> to do it. And that's that was one of the

<<1292>> things that

<<1294>> >> that as of our team as well as for our

<<1297>> family that I can just kind of go like

<<1299>> tag you're in like you're on parent

<<1301>> duty, I'm on do or you're on dera duty,

<<1304>> I'm on parent. Um and so and I love that

<<1307>> that our children generally will have at

<<1308>> least one of us. Um I don't think they

<<1311>> quite realize how special that is that

<<1313>> they will pretty much always have one of

<<1315>> us.

<<1316>> >> Yeah. Yeah. Maybe when they have

<<1317>> children they'll realize that actually

<<1318>> gosh this is

<<1320>> >> like it's not generally the case to have

<<1322>> them both of us available really like

<<1324>> they get home from school and we're both

<<1326>> ready to hear the day.

<<1328>> >> Um which is really lovely but it's the

<<1330>> same for our team like they can bounce

<<1332>> off both of us and I really like that.

<<1334>> Yeah.

<<1334>> >> And equally if one of us needs space

<<1336>> like the Wrestlemania thing or you know

<<1337>> I need to go over to my mom's or

<<1339>> whatever

<<1340>> >> then everything doesn't have to stop it

<<1342>> kind of

<<1344>> >> you know the other escaping my forest.

<<1351>> >> Lindy Daniel thank you so much for

<<1352>> joining me for part one of this podcast.

<<1354>> I'm super excited to um bring you guys

<<1357>> along for part two. Uh are you excited

<<1359>> about that?

<<1360>> >> Yeah. Can't wait. It's going to be

<<1361>> great.

<<1362>> So, I'll see you guys soon and thanks

<<1364>> again.

<<1365>> >> Thank you so much for having us.

<<1366>> >> Yeah, thank you.

<<1370>> >> Thank you so much for listening to

<<1371>> today's episode and I hope you enjoyed

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